Curse and Rituals?*SERIES SPOILERS*

[victim]

So, I was thinking about 'Sword of the samurai 2' and then clock Tower...I know, it's wierd.


So in sword of the samurai 2, it's about the time samurais were becoming less and english people landed on japan...this IS part of history folks.


So, let's review, the maxwell's curse was from hundreds of years ago and The barrows rituals since roman times.


I have this theory that the max' curse was just another wives tale, until a decendant of barrows landed on japan and...you know where I'm getting at!


Therefore when wierd things started happening, the maxwell's see it as the curse. And for some reason when twins are born, one is a rooder and the other an entity.


To continue... Yuu was dug in the maxwell's grave along with bates, but when Alen hale found the statue and Yuu; either he did not find Bates (and so bates died) or bates was already dead; bates soul went into Yuu's body.


Ta-da! Thus the hybird.

[ObscureNightmares]

Entities are not born though-they are created through the Ritual of Engagement. Even if Bates was Alyssa's twin, he would have had to have performed the ritual to become an Entity. I would like to experiment with a way to tie the two together, however.

[victim]

maybe a spell was cast so that the baby's twin automatically becoms an entity? Like, c'mon, clock tower ff people, Dan was like, you know and turned into you know what. Maybe not an entity. Maybe Bates is Alyssa Hale's 'special power'?

Alyssa hamilton had a bow, her mother Nancy had a sword. hale's amulet was bought from a random shrine so it doesn't count...so why not bates and his millicana?

Jennifer... um...ah... was 14, when she turned 15 she cast the door spell, the game never said that anyone can cast that spell...maybe only a select few. And she killed Bobby without the spell!...but if you need the spell to kill him, I guess michael's revenge concept fits.

[victim]

sorry for doubble posting, but I just got another theory.

What if, because the ritual was like from sooo long ago, the story got a little mixed up and the maxwell family believed that they had to dig both children up.


what if before they dug them, they had to perform a ritual namingly 'of engagement' but they call it something else like 'ritual of cleansing' or 'sealing' because the story is mixed up) on both babies and usuall this doesn't take effect cause both children die; but when bates died and Alyssa lived, bates acted as a sacrifice, and they joined as one, but because Bates was a boy (cause the ritual should only work on a female) it got wrong and their souls did not fuse, but instead his soul got trapped into her body.

[Dark Messiah]

These are not even theories, they're just fan fictions you're coming up with.

They are good, but believe me, they can never be true.

Each clock tower game's plot is written by different people, and thus unrelated, clock tower and ghosthead are definintly unrelated (one being in norway and another in japan) so they are non-related, think of it like final fantasy games, like where each has a diff plot, but ofcourse they are both clock tower games, and thus there are some related elements like the story of the cursed twins and such.

Alyssa can't be a rooder or entity or whatever, because these plot elements came years after when CAPCOM wrote the story for CT3, so it's impossible.

The only thing I can say about CT3's story is that it was influenced by the old Clock Tower games plot, and I'm talking about the scissormen and burroughs.

ALSO, lets not forget that the stories of Clock Tower 1 and 3 deals with supernatural, ghosts and spirits kind of things, while Clock Tower Ghosthead is more of a science fiction (with all the zombies, toxins and mental disorder)

[ObscureNightmares]

You're being a bit closed-minded. Just because there are different writers or were released at different times, that doesn't mean they can't be connected. Three of the Clock Tower games are connected through the Barrows/Burroughs family. While The Struggle Within does have a lot of more scientific elements, it also deals with spirits quite heavily, as they seem to frequent the various locations Alyssa visits, and she's possessed by one-it's quite clear that Bates is not just another personality.

Also, given that the Scissortwins of CT3 are of Asian descent, there is a possible way to tie The Struggle Within to the rest of the series. They could be twins from the Maxwell family for all we know.

[Dark Messiah]

If they were connected, then there would atleast be hints, the writers aren't stupid, when they have something in their mind, they would write it, they won't keep it for the players to figure, I think that's stupid.

Again like I said, CT3 was inspired by CT:FF and CT2, so they simply took elements such the names Burroughs and Scissortwins and put in the game, but they are clearly unrelated. Think of it as symbolic names and characters that represent the game, like Cid and Moggles in Final Fantasy, you see them in every game, yet they have different looks and characteristics but they still always play simmilar roles in every game.

At the end of CT:TSW, the game tries it's best to clearify the plot on a scientific basis, read the character bios, it explains how everything is caused due to the toxin, and that everything that seemed more spiritual and supernatural IN the game was due to the fact that Alyssa likes to connect what she cannot understand to the otherworldy and spiritual phenomena.

Then the only thing left to remain would be the myth about the cursed twins, but then again as I explained, since it's only in the Maxwell or Saidou family, then scientificly it is explained through study of genetics and stuff, and finally let's not forget that Alen Hale himself used the term "Alter-ego" which can be something very normal, scienticily.

I'm being realistic, not close-minded

EDIT: Oh yeah, thinking about the scissortwins from CT3 being japanese, that did sound like a nice fan-fiction/theory, I mean the scissortwins would be like Saidou/Maxwell cursed twins since theyre a boy/girl twin just like some believe that Yu and Shu are boy/girl twins.

But then again, there is no proof that the twins of Maxwell are boy/girl, nor a proof that Shu is even Yu's twin brother.

[ObscureNightmares]

You are being closed-minded by refusing to take the theories presented here seriously. The Burroughs family mentioned in CT3 is exactly the same as the Burroughs/Barrows family from the first two games. That's the "hint" that there's a connection. You can't just write it off as a "cameo".

Also, we're dealing with video games here. The CT series has never been solely scientific, and that fact has been the main focus of many of the games. There is plenty of paranormal happenings in the game that could not possibly be Alyssa just connecting everything she sees to otherwordly phenomena. And the bios you speak of also strongly suggest that Bates is indeed some kind of spirit, as opposed to just an "alter-ego". That term is just used because it is the most convenient to explain the situation and because no one knows for sure just what he is.

[Dark Messiah]

I actually love the theories that's being presented here.

Well, the only thing the two Burroughs family have in common in the two games are the names, and mansion/castle with a clock tower, but yeah, I won't say they're not the same, but I'll say, atleast the names could have been the same in the american versions, that would have helped a little...

CT and CT3 are connected, I cannot argue on that, but CT2 being connected, this one sounds a little weak, no hints been giving for that besides Scissortwins being asians.

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Now that I remember, there has been some weird supernatural stuff happening in CT:STW, especially in the first chapter, whereas you see flying objects and piano and stuff, I want to know what is the explaination to that.

I think Human the company which made the game just wanted to mess with our heads, and confuse us more perhaps.

[ObscureNightmares]

All the games has supernatural elements, though. Both of the Scissormen were immortal in a sense, with only a special ritual being able to kill them. I really don't think I need to connect 3 to the supernatural, since that one is pretty obvious.