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Post by phobos on Sept 4, 2007 12:12:31 GMT -5
Well I can't really tell who's telling the truth here. And I don't believe all these bad things about you. I'm just not sure who's telling the truth. If you're telling the truth, and Enigma is attacking you, I'd just suggest that you ignore it. And 'm sorry for starting this whole discussion. But, if Enigma is telling the truth, it'd be nice if you would hesitate to bashing Dcj and Enigma. Either way, I'll just stop talking about this. I don't want to make an enemy here. And I will still come here every once and a while to say Hi and post up new art. Thanks!
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Post by mrbates on Sept 4, 2007 13:27:18 GMT -5
You can't know what exactly is in everyones mind, how do they know that Enigmaopoeia has attacked you? How can you be 100% certain that everyone here is telling the truth? Maybe it's just that they're backing you up, not really knowing if it actually happend or not. Show me some evidence of these attacks. Maybe a picture, or a link? And for the Youtube video. How can you and mrbates falsely accuse Enigmaopoeia of stealing Mrbates' video? And for the game collection list, maybe she's gotten the game since then? Maybe she borrowed it from a friend. Of course, I don't know exactly for sure either. And as stated earlier, I don't want to argue anymore. But apparently, it seems like you just want to keep arguing with me. She would have bragged about it if she got it. Everyone knows that.
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Post by ObscureNightmares on Sept 4, 2007 13:55:04 GMT -5
A lot of people know she's lying. Join my Rule of Rose forum, and you can find a whole thread chronicling all the troll attacks against me, which serve as proof that is was the other forum who continuously victimized me. And if you really feel the need, I have a link to it.
I'm the one who helped enigma restart her site, so I'm very upset she's doing all this.
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Post by Tonbo Jigen on Sept 4, 2007 14:29:29 GMT -5
I think you guys can drop the video theft issue now, on multiple reasons. For one, about 14 hours ago (according to when I saw it on the video's page), the accused thief posted the Tiny URL link " tinyurl dot com slash 2gy2cd". When typed in, it led to an image on the Photo Bucket account belonging to "dontcryjennifer". The image, to which appears to of been taken with a cheap digital camera or possibly a web cam, is of a hand holding a disc media for Clock Tower. On closer inspection, the print on the non-read side of the disc appears to be black-only, given how the reflective surface is visible on non-printed areas (such as the lettering and the inner ring), there also appears to be some print shading (something that helps any form of artwork on a single color print) which can be more noticeably seen with the face. Another aspect is how the paper backing is visible behind the plastic disc holding tray. While this is noticeable with many older disc jewel cases, individual or spare cases without any disc media are often sold without this, and many have switched to clear plastic (for more artwork or extra information) or paper based storage. The slip of paper with what I assume is the poster's name is also set apart from the packaging, given how it clearly extends past the edge of the booklet. The blue edge of the booklet can be seen below an uneven bottom edge, which notes that it was intentionally cut with little care for accuracy on it's line. The word on the the piece of paper is also of same image quality which notes that it wasn't added by photo editing software. It also extends past the edge of the booklet, and is cut off as seen with the back half of the lower case "a" (I'm assuming it's an "a" due to the hand writing style). Given the lack of any clear system based logos (such as playstation, xbox, or saturn), it does not appear to be for a given video game system. Also, given the amount of information-based detail, and what appears to be the symbol for Compact Disc media, I'm fairly sure this is computer software. While there is a small chance of it being an audio disc, it doesn't feature any form of a track list, and there's not much attention made to the use of artwork. While I could be wrong on this, chances are rather slim. I'm sure I can look into more aspects of the image, however it looks rather authentic. The image in question can be found at the address below: i74.photobucket.com/albums/i246/dontcryjennifer/enigmaopoeia_ctforwin95.jpg
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Post by ObscureNightmares on Sept 4, 2007 22:09:13 GMT -5
She's very good at graphic design. That image sadly does not prove anything, since there are too many ways for a person to fake something like that.
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Post by mrbates on Sept 5, 2007 12:55:05 GMT -5
Given the lack of any clear system based logos (such as playstation, xbox, or saturn), it does not appear to be for a given video game system. Also, given the amount of information-based detail, and what appears to be the symbol for Compact Disc media, I'm fairly sure this is computer software. While there is a small chance of it being an audio disc, it doesn't feature any form of a track list, and there's not much attention made to the use of artwork. It is a Windows95/98 Disc
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Post by ObscureNightmares on Sept 5, 2007 13:09:52 GMT -5
I could easily get a picture like that. Just contact mrbates, who I know has it, and tell him to take a picture of it after inserting a card with my username on it.
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Post by Tonbo Jigen on Sept 5, 2007 15:49:09 GMT -5
Ok, now I know you're blowing smoke. If the person did so, I'm sure mrbates would of said something other than "It is a Windows95/98 Disc". Also, it's clearly noticeable that the person's fingernails (in the image) are well kept, with a small bit of length to them. As noted on mrbates' profile, he's a male so it's one of two things. Ether mrbates fancies feminine nail care procedures, or it's not mrbates holding the item in the picture. Given how mrbates identified it being a Win 95/98 software disc, WITHOUT saying anything else, it only adds more credibility towards the person having the disc. It also notes that he knows the actual subject matter of the disc, to which I'm sure he would of pointed out if it was fake or not. Given how he didn't do such a thing, it's pointing even more on the side of being real.
As for the call of the image being an edited photo, what proof do you have to back this? With angles taken into consideration, the handwriting features unique paths for each letter. The two e's, i's and o's feature very small differences which simply do not appear while using a computer generated font. On top of that, given the angle of the paper, it would be more noticeable if anything was off by just a hair. Not only would you have to alter each letter for line thickness but adjust for lighting, saturation, shading, and any viable texture. While some tablets are able to do such events, the edges of the lines would on been much more cleaner than that in the image.
Also, given how it appears to have been taken with a cheep digital camera, altered lines would be easier to spot due to the artifact garbage around the fingers, the edge of the piece of paper, as well as the top of the CD case itself. The bleeding between drastic color changes (such as a bright color on top of a dark color) would also be ether more or less noticeable. When done on purpose, it often comes out ether too clean or too smooth. Feathering the edges would also have been noticeable, given how the technique often leaves unexplained colors around the edge of an item, if not cuts into the item itself to prevent such an event.
Unless you actually want me to run this though a computer enhanced image analyzing program, to which I'm sure will return the same thing, it's not a photoshop creation. While there are many ways to call an image fake, I just used a vast majority to find otherwise. Believe it or not, it's kinda what I do when looking for truth in the matter of various things.
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Post by ObscureNightmares on Sept 5, 2007 18:42:31 GMT -5
What are you talking about? I never said mrbates took the picture for her.>_>; I was giving an example of how easy it would be for a person to get a picture like that. enigmapoeia knows a great number of people who have this item. It would be incredibly easy for her to have them take a picture of it after inserting a card with her username.
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Post by Tonbo Jigen on Sept 5, 2007 21:48:28 GMT -5
*sighs* You still don't get it, do you? How many of those game discs are still around? We're talking about something from over a decade ago. I don't know about you, but many of things like that don't last so long. Add to the fact that it's an import CD ROM, and a level of rarity is added. So, how many people do you know (aside from mrbates) actually has that CD? If this was the "only good" Clock Tower forum, then I'm sure you would have a name to go with that image. If you did, then I'm sure you would of given it.
Also, there is a level of power within a person's name. Anyone worth their intelligence, as well as those lacking, understand this even without realizing it. You put someone's name on it, it's their's, regardless. I'm sure you'll have problems taking a used bowling ball to the lanes with the name "DAVE" on it, namely because I doubt it's your name. The same applies towards someone's internet handle, because it acts very much like a person's name. Because of that, it holds the same level of power. It's the power of ownership.
Aside from that, there would be no reason for anyone to do such a thing, unless you have given them one. If you have or not, I will soon find out because I have just been notified that my account at DCJ has been approved. If you wish, I can share my findings here. However, you may not like what I find. Accept or deny, I will find the truth.
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Post by mrbates on Sept 6, 2007 12:10:40 GMT -5
What are you talking about? I never said mrbates took the picture for her.>_>; I was giving an example of how easy it would be for a person to get a picture like that. enigmapoeia knows a great number of people who have this item. It would be incredibly easy for her to have them take a picture of it after inserting a card with her username. Actually she stated I was the only one she knew with the item. And that disc is a FAKE! Here is the cropped picture of my collection: You see the difference?
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Post by ObscureNightmares on Sept 6, 2007 13:23:22 GMT -5
You can share your findings, but they are likely false.
And you are the one missing the point. This woman will stoop to any level to fool others. We have already seen her lie about me. And it would hardly be a task to get that CD-I bet I could find one easily. And it's certainly not a task to write someone else's name on a paper and stick it in the case for a quick picture.
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Post by mrbates on Sept 9, 2007 17:43:53 GMT -5
I just saw, She has the ULTRA2000 Clock Tower.
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Post by ObscureNightmares on Sept 11, 2007 21:40:24 GMT -5
She doesn't have it. Don't be fooled.
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Post by mrbates on Sept 12, 2007 12:40:22 GMT -5
She does have it. I saw the topic. She started it a long time ago.
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